--- Log opened Tue Jul 10 00:00:44 2012
00:25 < chapel> http://nodeup.com/ << is down SubStack jesusabdullah
01:32 < jesusabdullah> chapel: avian watched it happen, was on it
01:32 < chapel> kk
01:32 < chapel> well I see its up now
01:38 < jesusabdullah> sheah
01:38 < jesusabdullah> that's cause we were on it
01:38 < jesusabdullah> we're all up in those master logs like bosses
01:45 < AvianFlu> chapel, it's just dns fail
01:46 < chapel> coo, I wasn't sure :)
03:20 < SubStack> >_<
03:20 < SubStack> ^ fixing this bug
03:20 < ik> >_<
03:20 < ik> /|\
03:20 < ik> / \
03:21 < SubStack> tiny upset man
03:22 < SubStack> so sorting/min/max functions that take a cmp(a,b) function are annoying
03:24 < SubStack> I wager that it's more useful to take an f(x) as a parameter to transform the elements before using the built-in comparisons and getting back the original elements
03:24 < SubStack> Am I crazy or just crazy enough? [y/n]
03:33 < jesusabdullah> python insisted on that
03:33 < jesusabdullah> it's not a good look
03:33 < jesusabdullah> sometimes you really do want to specify a comparison function
03:33 < jesusabdullah> I'm not saying doing a transform is bad, just not always ideal
03:34 < SubStack> yes but that's why we have userspace libs
03:34 < SubStack> I'm not even calling it .sort(), I'm calling them .ascend() and .descend()
03:34 < SubStack> perhaps .minf would be a better name than .min() though
03:36 < jesusabdullah> what I mean is, cmp-ing is actually the most basic thing. Sometimes there are things that are much much easier to do as comparisons vs. mappings. Mapping is convenient when it fits, but it doesn't always fit.
03:36 < SubStack> well in javascript
03:36 < jesusabdullah> no, in general
03:36 < SubStack> using cmps is awkward as fuck
03:37 < SubStack> because there's no cmp() thing
03:37 < jesusabdullah> well like
03:37 < SubStack> so you do a.x - b.x or something silly
03:37 < jesusabdullah> for numbers it's just function (x, y) { return y - x; }
03:37 < SubStack> but usually I have an array of objects
03:37 < jesusabdullah> so obviously you could make something that sugars sorting by numerical value instead of lexicowhateverically
03:37 < SubStack> and I want to sort on a key
03:38 < jesusabdullah> Sure
03:38 < SubStack> transform functions are nicer for that case
03:38 < jesusabdullah> and like, in that particular case I agree 100%
03:38 < jesusabdullah> problem is that covers maybe, 60-70% of use cases?
03:38 < jesusabdullah> So if someone *takes away* cmp like python did
03:38 < jesusabdullah> seriously, comparison-based sorting was deprecated in python 3
03:38 < SubStack> no no no
03:38 < SubStack> this is a MODULE
03:39 < SubStack> in userspace
03:39 < jesusabdullah> that lets you sort by key
03:39 < jesusabdullah> perfect
03:39 < SubStack> so I am allowed to take certain CREATIVE LIBERTIES
03:39 < SubStack> I am something of a CREATIVE LIBERTARIAN you see
03:39 < jesusabdullah> SIR I WOULD LIKE TO SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER
03:39 < LOUDBOT> DERP DERP DERP
03:39 < jesusabdullah> HMM YES QUITE
03:39 < LOUDBOT> RUN TOOO THE HIIIIIIIIILLLLLLS
03:39 < SubStack> apropos as usual loudbot
03:39 < jesusabdullah> TALLY-HO
03:39 < LOUDBOT> QUITTER QUITTING QUIT!
03:39 < SubStack> also this:
03:39 < SubStack> 2. libertarian -- (someone who believes the doctrine of free will)
03:40 < SubStack> ^ totes not me
03:40 < SubStack> words, how do those work
03:40 < jesusabdullah> naw, a little utility for sorting on keys would be nice
03:40 < SubStack> not keys
03:40 < SubStack> sorting on transforms instead of comparison functions
03:41 < SubStack> need a good name for this
03:41 < SubStack> sortf?
03:41 < SubStack> although it doesn't even have a sort function
03:42 < SubStack> it has ascend() and descend() instead
03:42 < SubStack> which do sorting
03:42 < SubStack> and then minf and maxf
03:42 < SubStack> assort?
03:42 < SubStack> rankf
03:43 < SubStack> haha "frank"
03:43 < SubStack> oh but that one is taken
03:43 < SubStack> rank is untaken though
03:45 < jesusabdullah> SubStack: Would the sort be based on numerical score then, not alphabetical order?
03:45 < jesusabdullah> SubStack: What I mean by "key-based" search is that the python api speaks of "key functions" that return "keys" which are used to sort the original array
03:45 < SubStack> however < and > work
03:46 < jesusabdullah> numerically
03:46 < SubStack> those work on strings too in js
03:46 < SubStack> but you just write a transform from your datatype into something that js can handle with < and >
03:46 < jesusabdullah> I see
04:02 < SubStack> aha "fort"
04:45 < SubStack> kerpow https://github.com/substack/node-fort
04:47 < SubStack> right then, back to what I was doing
04:47 < SubStack> KEEPING THE TECHNICAL DEBT AT BAY, BUT FOR HOW LONG?
04:47 < LOUDBOT> GIVE ME MERGE COMMITS OR GIVE ME DEATH
04:47 < SubStack> here here
04:47 < SubStack> hear hear?
04:47 < SubStack> yes, the latter seems most correct on review
04:57 < SubStack> TEA TIME
04:57 < LOUDBOT> GLITCH MOB NIGGA
05:27 < jesusabdullah> SubStack: What was that video called with the, "I hear you're getting hot even though you've just started" ?
05:28 < jesusabdullah> found it!!
05:32 < jesusabdullah> Had to show it to maxmouse
05:55 < maxogden> dat me?
05:59 < jesusabdullah> naw my sister
06:27 < SubStack> whoa browserify has over 1000 watchers now
16:30 < SubStack> beep bop
17:17 < SubStack> >_<
17:53 < scolson> hey, I'm trying to spin up an SSH tunnel, and I keep getting permission denied, though I know I am using the correct pass...
17:58 < SubStack> scolson: the password for your private key?
17:58 < scolson> no, we don't have a pub key/priv key set up for browserling
18:00 < SubStack> when you click the tunnel button in the ui what happens?
18:01 < scolson> click tunnel, update the port, get the command string, copy/paste in to terminal, and run it
18:02 < SubStack> click close tunnel
18:02 < scolson> clicked
18:02 < SubStack> you might need to refresh the page, hmmm
18:02 < SubStack> when you click the tunnel button again is there a textarea telling you to paste your public key?
18:03 < scolson> nope
18:03 < scolson> no pub key.
18:04 < scolson> (screenshot) http://imgur.com/HFgTA
18:06 < SubStack> odd, you probably already have a public key then I think
18:06 < SubStack> I can reset it if you like
18:06 < SubStack> then it should prompt you to set up a public key
18:06 < scolson> ok
18:06 < scolson> it is a new account, and I don't recall ever entering a pub key, but we can try
18:06 < SubStack> what's your account email?
18:06 < scolson> info@switchbackcms.com
18:08 < pkrumins> # cat authorized_keys
18:08 < pkrumins> http://carebridge.local:8097/
18:08 < pkrumins> is what you accidentally put in place of pub key
18:08 < pkrumins> try now, i just deleted this
18:08 < pkrumins> should prompt for the key
18:08 < pkrumins> put it in!
18:08 < SubStack> aha great work pkrumins \o
18:08 < pkrumins> o/
18:08 < SubStack> was just in the process of resetting but you beat me to it!
18:09 < scolson> ok, just to check b/c I work from multiple computers, (one at a time of course), and the ssh key is different on each one, where can I go to change it?
18:10 < SubStack> when you click the tunnel button now
18:10 < SubStack> try refreshing the page first
18:10 < SubStack> then click the tunnel button
18:11 < scolson> right, I get how I can set it the first time... how do I change it down the road?
18:11 < SubStack> there's no way to change it right now
18:12 < pkrumins> scolson: you can email all the keys to me
18:12 < pkrumins> and i'll put all of them in
18:12 < pkrumins> peteris@browserling.com
18:13 < scolson> wait... if the UI doesn't validate input, can I just put all of the keys in to there?
18:14 < pkrumins> yeah you can do that too
18:17 < SubStack> oh that's a nifty idea
18:41 < scolson> fyi, putting in two different pub keys did work
18:41 < scolson> thanks for the help resetting it
19:43 < SubStack> pesky bug
19:55 < tanepiper> SubStack: http://www.w3.org/TR/webdriver/
19:56 < SubStack> haha standards bodies
19:56 < SubStack> they'll probably fuck it up
19:57 < SubStack> yeah they're just cloning selenium commands it looks like?
19:57 < SubStack> anyways I can do this thing with all browsers as they are
19:57 < SubStack> and the api is much cleaner since it's just javascript
20:00 < tanepiper> \o/ yea standards bodies suck
20:11 < pkrumins> dismantle all the standards bodies
21:47 < SubStack> http://substack.net/images/cannon.png
21:49 < AvianFlu> SubStack, ready for austerlitz I see!
22:02 < SubStack> >_<
22:06 < pkrumins> soon
23:29 < mikeal> SubStack: so, this dnode refactor you did
23:29 < mikeal> when did that get released?
23:29 < mikeal> and is there an incompatibility at all between versions?
23:39 < dools> hey check out the "Flight hacking" post on the newest page: http://news.ycombinator.com/newest
23:39 < dools> from a mate of mine
23:55 < SubStack> mikeal: it's quite different yes, and I bumped the major
23:55 < SubStack> that was last month or so
23:56 < mikeal> ok
23:56 < mikeal> are you running it in production yet?
23:56 < SubStack> not yet
23:56 < SubStack> going to port upnode, seaport, and airport over first
--- Log closed Wed Jul 11 00:00:50 2012